Interview with Ntsizi Elijah Moremi who was a refugee in Kenya in the late 1970s. An adherent of the black consciousness movement, he became involved in efforts to create an external wing of the movement, the Black Consciousness Movement of Azania (BCMA) in 1979-80. While waiting for a visa to study in the United States, he attended a theological seminary in Nairobi. He later pursued theological studies in the United States.